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Sentiment is so severely negative in North American markets and I think the effects of European/Asian markets falling much further is still a large factor not yet fully priced into the picture.
Not having the ability to short some of these financial stocks has almost undeniably caused a stiffer and quicker decline in the wider markets as the ability to play both sides of the markets with hedges has been reduced and the effects of rallies due to short covering has been severely reduced... hence the very sharp and prolonged declines... further evidence of the ignorant people in charge of changing and manipulating market rules on a whim that has obvious adverse effects on the markets.
Eventually we will get a dead cat bounce/short covering rally(once shorting is a larger part of the picture again)... but the underlying sentiment and fundamentals of this global financial crisis are hard to ignore. A series of bubbles across many asset classes are bursting worldwide and this credit crisis will not go away anytime soon as long as a wide range of asset values including real estate continue to decline and feed off each other in a Catch-22 type scenario.
Eventually fundamentals and oversold assets will draw buyers who have kept their cash on the sidelines back into the marketplace and we will see some bargain-hunting rallies but as to what levels and when those rallies take place is anybodies guess.
I expect we may see declines far exceeding the lows of the 2002/2003 bear market levels as this bubble involves many more asset classes than the previous internet craze. This time "real" companies... some that have been around for over 100 years are being obliterated and almost every individual is being hit from Wallstreet to mainstreet in basically every region of the world.
The very stability of the financial system is at risk and it will take patience and fortitude to hold faith that world economies can and will rebound even as we watch weekly declines of 10-20% across the world.
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From my research, we may be close to a bear market rally that could be explosive. If you are in bear market etf's, be ready to liquidate or if you can handle the loss, use the rally to buy more at lower prices when you see it ending because when the rally ends, we will go lower than we are now so we will be below 9000. This will cause more investors that are still in the market to come home from work, talk to their spouse and sell more because it is becoming apparent that this is bigger than we have seen in our generation and is being compared to the depression. I am not a sky is falling person and hopefully you know that from reading some of my previous comments on Finviz.
When I started writing on this subject, we were at Dow 11,500 on September 5 and now we are at 9258 with the Fed coming out with a new program almost every day. I am telling you we will go lower and I am hearing we are near a bottom. Protect yourself on the other side of the rally which might be a 1000 point increase because everyone will celebrate and tell you that the bear market is over. It isn't over and I think we will go much lower. After the rally when we are in the 8000 range and I have built more credibility with those that are skeptical with my comments, I will cover how to protect yourself from a possible depression. I hope I am wrong and so do you, but we must be prepared so that we don't lose everything we have built.
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Now do believe me? The 1000 point swing today that I wrote about two days ago, might have been the bear rally since events are compressed in time as the market moves much faster than it has in history going up or down. The Dow went down nearly 2,400 points, or 22.1 percent over eight sessions. I think most of us thought the world was ending when we went down 700 points this morning which was at the bottom a 3000 point decline before it went up 300 points. We must all be stunned and exhausted because I am. The world has never seen this big a move in such a short time and that includes the depression. Where do we go from here? Some are calling this the bottom. Barring some government program impacting the world financial problems, it looks like we will go lower.
My bear etf's were up 50% in four days, but lost some of that by the end of the day. I looked at the profit at the 700 point bottom this morning and didn't sell. I kept thinking there is nothing in my experience of investing to help me because all these events have no precedent. I got greedy, fearful for myself that the world was rushing into a depression, wondering if I should buy more etf's to make more money, I watched down 500, down 600, down 700. What is happening to us? So I did nothing and watched as it moved 1000 points higher in a short time. Should I buy more etf's while the price is down or is this the beginning of the recovery? You know the rest because it went down 400 points from there. Too much, too fast, never happened before so I just watched. This is history and I am exhausted.
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so many are looking for the bounce of bounces, and it will be the mother of all rallies, i just think fridays bounce is all we get for a bit http://upsidetrader.blogspot.com/
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May be time to review bear etf's as the trend is down again. I am up 11% for today at 11 eastern and greedy for more. I'm in the top five performing etf's for the month. See my instructions for sorting at the beginning of this thread.
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stockman, So does that mean you are looking to short Bearish ETF's? Moxie
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Moxie:
No. I own the following bear etf's and was up 20% today: aga, smn, sdk, sij, scc, and, sjl. I got crushed on Monday's big gain and was pissed that I didn't take profit last week so I won't let this go down the drain this time. I will hold until we have a bear rally.
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Today was a VERY BAD DAY for the DOW! If it closes 127 points below where it closed today, all levels of support will have been broken and it'll be time to put our crash helmets on again.


The Weekly Chart shows a Shooting Star candlestick so far, and ALL of the Technical Indicators I use are still headed down (except for the CCI).

It's still possible a Double Bottom chart pattern can be formed on the daily chart, but the most reliable Double Bottoms take many more than five sessions to form. It's best if it takes twice that long. Due to the insane volatility of the market lately, I doubt if this can be called a "true" Double Bottom even if it forms.
There are four "market moving" reports due on the Economic Calendar:
CPI-0830 Jobless Claims-0830 Industrial Production-0915 Philadelphia Fed Survey-1000
Today's PPI numbers were twice as bad as expected, so the CPI will probably fall in line. I'm sure there will be an increase in Jobless Claims, and Industrial Production will most likely fall too. I heard today that all twelve Fed regions were down for the first time in a long time, so the Philly Fed Survey is sure to be negative.
There are numerous Earnings Reports due out tomorrow, and EarningsWhisper.com is showing more negative surprises than positive ones.
Earnings on Thursday from: Bank of New York Mellon, BB&T, Citigroup, CIT Group, Continental, Harley-Davidson, Hershey, Merrill Lynch, Nokia, PNC Bank, Southwest Air, United Technologies, AMD, Capital One, Google and IBM
Overall, and I hate to say this, especially to all those that are planning their retirement off of their 401K or their pension fund, but I think the market is going to have a HUGE down day on Thursday unless some miracle happens. A lot depends on the Economic Reports and the Earnings we'll see from the above companies.
The sad thing is, I was going to post a chart analysis Sunday night calling last Friday as "THE Bottom" because of the Volume it had that day and the shape of the candlestick, and ALL of the Technical Indicators said the drop was overdone.
Today's action shows me that we may not have seen the bottom yet. There's still a glimmer of hope for tomorrow, but it will be a day of decision. I know what I'm going to have to do if the market crashes again. Do YOU?
Happy Trading, zz
www.stock-market-lessons.com
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zigzagman:
I believe I speak for most readers of this forum to tell you the incredible contribution you make for the benefit of all of us is much appreciated. Your eloquence and easy to read format makes a complicated subject easier to understand. Thank you and I hope you will continue to help all of us to make the right investment decisions far into the future.
Based on your writings and my trigger finger shaking because I agree with your opinion, I will probably add to my bear etf's. Keep up the great work on keeping us informed.
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stockman wrote:zigzagman:
I believe I speak for most readers of this forum to tell you the incredible contribution you make for the benefit of all of us is much appreciated. Your eloquence and easy to read format makes a complicated subject easier to understand. Thank you and I hope you will continue to help all of us to make the right investment decisions far into the future.
Based on your writings and my trigger finger shaking because I agree with your opinion, I will probably add to my bear etf's. Keep up the great work on keeping us informed. stockman,
WOW! Thank You for your kind words! I'm glad you enjoy my input here, and it's that kind of response that keeps me going. I learned how to read charts from the IHUB message board many years ago from posters that were generous with their teaching skills. Now I am continuing that tradition to help other traders become more successful. Isn't that what life is supposed to be all about?
Someday, you'll all be able to start a business like I have done, giving private one-on-one lessons on Day Trading or Swing Trading if you want to. I don't do that anymore because it was much too time consuming, but I still like to keep my hand in it by posting my thoughts on message boards. If you do the chart and Fundamental analysis like you're teaching others, it's a great way to get a clear picture of what's really going on...
Happy Trading, zz
www.stock-market-lessons.com
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