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Looks like we are heading lower Options
stockman
Posted: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:11:51 AM

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The Dow Jones world index sank to new lows along with the Baltic dry index and the European banks today. The NYSE has broken below the July lows as of today. It looks like Cramer was wrong when he said the July 15 low was the bottom. I think most of us knew he must be wrong because there was so much still to unwind. The Nasdaq was the biggest percent drop of the major indexes and fell below support so the CNBC talkers kept saying Tech was the place to be and it looks like the economy is going to impact them just as much as the other sectors. Silver has now broken to new closing lows and gold may soon follow. Semis were down 3.4% today and it looks like a huge decline may be approaching with the possibility that it could go below the 2002 lows. When we get a big down day like today, the market tends to rally weakly for a day or two.

I set up this scenario to suggest a trading opportunity in the next few days if I am right to buy bear market etfs. The top ten today were
rtw, fxp, rfn, smn, tll, skf, eev, ssg, sij, and skk with an average gain of 8% today on a 350 point loss day. As you all know, if the market goes up in the next few days, these will go down and give you the opportunity to buy at a better price. I suggest you set up a portfolio on these top 10 to monitor in the next few days. You can also do the following to find bear market etf's::

-go to screener, click on industry and drop down the menu to etf's. Click on performance and than the price percent gain for the day until they are green. You now have the biggest gain etfs starting with the biggest percent for the day. Of course if the market is up for the day you are looking, you won't see the best bear etfs. They will appear on down days. If you are reading this in the next few days or weeks and I am right that the market is going lower, you can sort the above screen for the week to see the best ones over a longer period of time. I have been out of the market for a month waiting for this day and I believe we have a large opportunity to make more money faster across a wide group of sectors. I posted all the bear market etf's previously in stock tips on 7/8.

Here are some warnings for you:

-the market turns quickly and these etf's can be up 10% in the morning and turn down just as much in the afternoon.
-if I am right and the market continues lower after a small bounce, it may trade lower for only a few days or a week. The upside to the following rally will probably be large and fast
-if good economic news or the Fed makes an announcement that they are doing something dramatic, you will get smashed into the red. Remember what happened on 7/15 when financials and the market took off and all the shorts got massacred.

I suggest if you agree that there may be an opportunity here, you start with small dollars and you go in knowing you could lose 10% or more in a day. You need some stops that will frustrate you when they sell and reverse higher, but you will be preserving capital which is rule number 1. May we all make money faster.


STI
Posted: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:25:45 AM
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My suggestion is it's not a right time to jump in and out of the market. There is a high probability of getting caught off-guard.

Try to play only if you can watch your positions whole day. If you're a swing or momentum trader, I'd said wait out. But even if you decide to play in this market, I completely agree with stockman to keep your losses small, maybe not 10% but 3-5%.

sti,
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zigzagman
Posted: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:11:34 PM

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It sure does look like we're taking another turn for the worse by the charts. And Art Cashin (who is my favorite CNBC Commentator) said something today that was really negative. He has over 34 years in the market, and he's usually right I've noticed. When Art talks, I listen. He said:
Quote:
"After Thursday's 344 point drop and a lackluster Friday, next Monday can be a day of complete capitulation with Tuesday spiking down to set a new bottom".

I've never noticed something like this in my 15 years of watching the market, but it's something he's probably seen a number of times before. Even though Friday's candlestick was a 'Hammer' which can signal a reversal, the lower Bollinger Band on the Dow's chart is already starting to move lower. The VIX is nowhere near 30 yet, but if Art is right it may get there early next week. The News this week has been mostly negative, which gives me little reason to believe we are ready to rally again.

My chart analysis shows a number of Indicators that show we are not at a bottom yet, and the chart pattern for the last two months has turned bearish. It's almost certain in my opinion that we will go down to test the July 15th lows if the last two support levels fail on a closing basis. IF the Dow closes below 10950 I'll be shorting the Diamonds (DIA) until the RSI drops below 30, and will cover if it tries to get back above it. Stochastics dropping below 20 and then trying to break above it will be another signal to cover. If the VIX gets to 30 that's another sign we are about to bottom.






The weekly chart is looking mostly Bearish:




Happy Trading,
zz




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stockman
Posted: Saturday, September 06, 2008 10:06:31 AM

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You probably all saw the news Friday after market close that the Fed is taking over Fannie and Freddie. Here is the dramatic news that we all know impacts the markets. The Fast Money panel feels that we will rally for two or three days so money will come back into the market and everyone will feel that everything is good. All that is happening is a postponement of the next leg down to new lows. It will be interesting to see how long that takes. Important to remember we are in a long term bear market rally and capital preservation must be your number one goal. You must live to invest when the bull returns and that looks to be at least a year away when real estate levels.
zigzagman
Posted: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:23:45 AM

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stockman wrote:
You probably all saw the news Friday after market close that the Fed is taking over Fannie and Freddie. Here is the dramatic news that we all know impacts the markets. The Fast Money panel feels that we will rally for two or three days so money will come back into the market and everyone will feel that everything is good. All that is happening is a postponement of the next leg down to new lows. It will be interesting to see how long that takes. Important to remember we are in a long term bear market rally and capital preservation must be your number one goal. You must live to invest when the bull returns and that looks to be at least a year away when real estate levels.


stockman,

No, I didn't see the news release about the FED bailing out Fannie and Freddie after the close on Friday.
I see it now, and here's the article:
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/54394/Report-Treasury-Will-Inject-Capital-Into-Fannie-Freddie?tickers=FNM,FRE,MS,XLF,^DJI,^GSPC
It's interesting to read the comments below the article.

If I had seen this news before I posted the charts above, it probably wouldn't have influenced my conclusions too much. If you remember when the bailouts for Ambac and MBNA happened, the market rallied only a few days before continuing much lower. I won't get 'political' here and describe how I 'feel' about the government having to bail out financial institutions that have gotten themselves into trouble by practicing bad business practices, other than I don't like it or agree with it.

You're right that IF this bailout happens before the bell on Monday, the market will probably rally for a few days, and then reality will set back in. Until the charts tell me the Bear market is over, I'll stick to my prediction of lower lows between now and the end of October. The Fundamentals of the market are still weak, and we won't enter another Bull market until the Financial Sector gets it act together and finishes with ALL of the writeoffs, the Housing Sector finally bottoms, the price of Crude holds steady here or declines, and Earnings start to improve. I think the 3rd Quarter Earnings will come in weaker than previously expected, and most predictions call for things to start improving late in the second half of 2009.





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STI
Posted: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:43:55 PM
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This is NOT a news yet. There are rumors about bailing them out. I'm working on some trading strategy on trading the big moves we can expect next week...

Had some weird ideas. Once I'm done, I'll keep you posted.

Nice Weekend!

sti,
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cubswin
Posted: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:32:41 PM
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The charts do look bad. However, if a bail out happens then the charts don't matter if we have a mother of a short squeeze Monday. Then everyone will say we tested and held July lows.

Really just shows you can get too long or too short with any comfort. Entry day trades only thing working.

stockman
Posted: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:50:00 PM

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Here are the bear market etfs in case you are interested in researching what looks to be the opinion of those on this subject that the market looks to be going lower.

Hope this helps you make some money:



Short & UltraShort MarketCap ETFs:

ETF -Name - Ticker- Benchmark Index

Short QQQ - PSQ - Nasdaq-100
Short Dow 30 - DOG- DJIA
Short S&P 500 - SH - S&P 500
Short MidCap400 -- MY - S&P MidCap 400
Short SmallCap600 - SBB - S&P SmallCap 600
Short Russell2000 - RWM - Russell 2000
UltraShort QQQ- QID - Nasdaq-100
UltraShort Dow 30 - DXD - DJIA
UltraShort S&P 500 - SDS - S&P 500
UltraShort MidCap400 - MZZ - S&P MidCap 400
UltraShort SmallCap600- SDD - S&P SmallCap 600
UltraShort Russell2000- TWM - Russell 2000

UltraShort Style:
ETF Name Ticker Benchmark Index
UltraShort Russell1000 Value - SJF- Russell 1000 Value
UltraShort Russell1000 Growth - SFK - Russell 1000 Growth
UltraShort Russell MidCap Value- SJL- Russell MidCap Value
UltraShort Russell MidCap Growth- SDK - Russell MidCap Growth
UltraShort Russell2000 Value- SJH - Russell 2000 Value
UltraShort Russell2000 Growth- SKK - Russell 2000 Growth

UltraShort Sector:
ETF Name Ticker Benchmark Index
UltraShort Basic Materials - SMN - Dow Jones U.S. Basic Materials
UltraShort Consumer Goods - SZK - Dow Jones U.S. Consumer Goods
UltraShort Consumer Services - SCC - Dow Jones U.S. Consumer Services
UltraShort Financials SKF - Dow Jones U.S. Financials
UltraShort Health Care RXD - Dow Jones U.S. Health Care
UltraShort Industrials SIJ - Dow Jones U.S. Industrials
UltraShort Real Estate SRS - Dow Jones U.S. Real Estate
UltraShort Semiconductors - SSG Dow Jones U.S. Semiconductors
UltraShort Oil & Gas (Note: Read this if you’re thinking of using DUG to short oil prices) DUG Dow Jones U.S. Oil & Gas
UltraShort Technology - REW - Dow Jones U.S. Technology
UltraShort Utilities - SDP - Dow Jones U.S. Utilities

Short & UltraShort International:
ETF Name -Ticker - Benchmark Index
Short MSCI Emerging Markets EUM MSCI Emerging Markets Index
Short MSCI -EAFE- EFZ - MSCI EAFE Index
UltraShort MSCI EAFE EFU MSCI EAFE Index
UltraShort MSCI Emerging Markets EEV MSCI Emerging Markets index
UltraShort MSCI Japan EWV MSCI Japan Index
UltraShort FTSE/Xinhua China 25 FXP FTSE/Xinhua China 25 Index

And here are some inverse Gold ETNs (Exchange Traded Notes):

* DB Gold Double Short ETN (DZZ)
* DB Gold Short ETN (DGZ)
cubswin
Posted: Sunday, September 07, 2008 6:31:11 PM
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cubswin wrote:
The charts do look bad. However, if a bail out happens then the charts don't matter if we have a mother of a short squeeze Monday. Then everyone will say we tested and held July lows.

Really just shows you can get too long or too short with any comfort. Entry day trades only thing working.



Looks like my scenario is correct.

Freddie and Fannie were bailed out and stock futures are up HUGE on Sunday afternoon. Dow up over 235. Big short squeeze on Monday.

Charts might be right back to our trading range again.
stockman
Posted: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:57:33 AM

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All of the short term indicators except the put/call ratio cycled into overbought this morning and so far the market has reacted in typical bear market form by immediately pulling back. We’ll have to see how we close but so far the reaction to the bailout of FNM & FRE isn’t looking terribly positive
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